Small businesses pull back on hiring

Small businesses pull back on hiring

December 03, 2025 25 min
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🤖 AI Summary

Overview

This episode explores the mixed economic signals from small businesses, highlighting their pullback on hiring despite optimistic sentiments. It also delves into the growing popularity of Buy Now, Pay Later (BNPL) services, the nuances of import pricing, and the evolution of cap-and-trade programs for carbon emissions.

Notable Quotes

- Small businesses are leading indicators of what our medium and larger businesses are going to do later. - John Waldman, on the significance of small business hiring trends.

- Putting plastics into your recycling bin does not mean it gets recycled. Only five to 6% of plastics actually get recycled. - Judith Enk, on the realities of plastic recycling.

- Buy Now, Pay Later can help [retailers] improve their conversion rates at checkout. - Hannah Brnisky, on the business benefits of BNPL services.

🛠️ Small Business Hiring Trends

- Kai Ryssdal discusses the ADP report showing a net loss of 32,000 jobs in November, with small businesses (under 50 employees) cutting 120,000 jobs.

- Sabri Benishor interviews Anna Hammond, CEO of Matriarch Foods, who remains optimistic despite noticing buyers being more cautious with spending.

- Surveys from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the National Federation of Independent Business reveal mixed signals: confidence remains high, but reinvestment plans are declining.

- John Waldman, CEO of Homebase, notes a significant pullback in hiring and hours worked among small businesses, emphasizing their role as economic indicators.

💳 The Rise of Buy Now, Pay Later (BNPL)

- BNPL services like Klarna, Affirm, and PayPal are booming, with transactions surpassing $1 billion on Cyber Monday.

- Mitchell Hartman explains the business model: retailers pay higher fees (2-8% of sales) compared to credit cards but benefit from increased conversion rates and reduced abandoned carts.

- BNPL providers profit from retailer fees and customer data, enabling targeted advertising. Default rates on BNPL loans remain low, making the model sustainable for now.

📦 Import Pricing and Tariffs

- Import prices in September were largely unchanged overall, but excluding fuel, prices rose.

- Carla Javier highlights category-specific trends: decreases in electronics and European wine prices, but increases in industrial supplies like steel and aluminum due to tariffs.

- Jason Miller from Michigan State University discusses the challenges manufacturers face, including higher costs for machinery and tools, potentially impacting workforce and production expansion.

🌍 Cap-and-Trade Programs for Carbon Emissions

- The Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative (RGGI), a cap-and-trade system among 10 East Coast states, has reduced carbon emissions by 53% since 2009.

- Peter Shattuck explains the mechanism: power plants buy permits to emit CO2, incentivizing cleaner energy sources. Revenue from permits funds energy efficiency programs.

- Fracking's rise lowered natural gas costs, aiding emission reductions but complicating RGGI's pricing model. Recent adjustments have increased permit prices, potentially driving renewable energy adoption.

♻️ The Problem with Plastic

- Judith Enk, author of The Problem with Plastic, discusses the rapid increase in plastic production and its environmental impact.

- She critiques the lack of regulation compared to toxic substances like lead or asbestos, attributing it to lobbying by chemical and fossil fuel companies.

- Solutions proposed include laws requiring plastic producers to pay for disposal, shifting to reusable packaging, and building infrastructure for refillable systems.

- Recycling myths are debunked, with only 5-6% of plastics actually recycled due to industry design flaws.

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📋 Episode Description

Small business owners’ economic moods remain mixed. But, as is so often the case, how folks feel is different from how they act. And hard data tells us small business owners are pulling back on hiring — one ADP report shows businesses with fewer than 50 employees cut a net 120,000 jobs in November. Should we be worried? Plus: Retailers benefit from buy now, pay later offerings, import prices sans fuel rose in September, and cap-and-trade carbon emissions programs have changed since their inception.


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