The Steelman for Grok's Vulgar Anime Mode, AWS Launches Competitor to Browserbase, What AI Product Will Zuck Launch Next? | Delian Asparouhov, Lucas Swisher, Ravi Gupta, Adam Warmoth, Misha Laskin

The Steelman for Grok's Vulgar Anime Mode, AWS Launches Competitor to Browserbase, What AI Product Will Zuck Launch Next? | Delian Asparouhov, Lucas Swisher, Ravi Gupta, Adam Warmoth, Misha Laskin

July 16, 2025 3 hr 7 min
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🤖 AI Summary

Overview

This episode dives into the controversial launch of Grok's NSFW anime mode, AWS's competitive move against Browserbase, and the future of AI products from Meta. It also features interviews with leaders in frontier tech, venture capital, defense innovation, and AI research, exploring topics like AI talent wars, reindustrialization, and the next steps toward superintelligence.

Notable Quotes

- You don't want to make the companions so good that they don't reproduce, and then the next generation doesn't exist for you to sell them subscriptions. - John Coogan, on the unintended consequences of AI companions.

- If you're gonna raise money at a certain level, there has to be a financial model that maths out. Now it can be kind of funky, like 1% of AGI. - John Coogan, on the economics of scaling AI labs.

- Move 37 was one of the most beautiful artifacts ever produced in AI. We haven’t seen that level of creativity yet in LLMs. - Misha Laskin, on the gap between current AI capabilities and true innovation.

🌀 Grok's NSFW Anime Mode: Business vs. Ethics

- John Coogan and Jordi Hays debate the launch of Grok's NSFW anime mode, part of its $300/month premium plan. While it’s a clear business opportunity, its ethical implications are polarizing.

- AI companions are seen as a double-edged sword: they could drive billions in revenue but risk societal consequences like addiction and declining birth rates.

- John Coogan proposes a steelman argument: Grok could evolve into a dating platform, connecting users in real life to counteract population decline.

💻 AWS vs. Browserbase: The Fight for Developer Tools

- AWS launched a competitor to Browserbase, sparking debate on whether startups can outpace hyperscalers.

- Paul Klein of Browserbase argues that startups have the agility and incentives to outwork corporate teams, despite AWS's resources.

- The hosts discuss the importance of secrets in maintaining a competitive edge and the resilience required to compete with tech giants.

🤖 Meta's AI Strategy: Superintelligence or Sustaining Innovation?

- Meta's superintelligence team is hiring top AI talent, but its focus remains unclear. Will it launch a groundbreaking product or enhance existing platforms like Instagram and WhatsApp?

- John Coogan compares Meta's potential strategy to Android's approach: offering a free, ad-supported alternative to OpenAI's premium offerings.

- The team debates whether Meta can afford the risks of hyperscaling AI, given its scrutiny as a public company.

⚡ Reindustrialization and Tactical Power Innovation

- Adam Warmoth, founder of Chariot Defense, discusses his startup's mission to modernize battlefield power systems.

- Chariot Defense is addressing the military's reliance on outdated generators by developing advanced, mobile power solutions for drones, lasers, and sensors.

- The company is also positioned to support broader industrial needs, from disaster relief to mining, while fostering a U.S.-based supply chain for critical materials.

🧠 AI Talent Wars and the Path to Superintelligence

- Misha Laskin of Reflection AI highlights the challenges of building superintelligent systems, emphasizing the need for reinforcement learning in real-world contexts.

- The team discusses the escalating salaries for AI researchers, likening it to sports contracts, and the broader implications for tech compensation.

- Laskin’s company, Reflection AI, launched Asimov, a coding agent designed to deeply understand organizational codebases, aiming to bridge the gap between current AI capabilities and true innovation.

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📋 Episode Description

  • (01:01) - The Steelman for Grok's Vulgar Anime Mode

  • (20:50) - AWS Launches Competitor to Browserbase

  • (31:16) - Timeline

  • (31:49) - What AI Product will Zuck Launch Next?

  • (01:01:21) - Delian Asparouhov. Delian is a Partner at Founders Fund and the Co-founder & President of Varda Space Industries, which is building the first commercial manufacturing facility in space. He previously worked at Khosla Ventures and studied at MIT. He’s known for his focus on frontier tech, national defense, and aerospace innovation.

  • (01:31:46) - Lucas Swisher. Lucas is a Founding Partner at Coatue Management’s venture capital arm, where he leads investments in enterprise software and fintech. He was previously at Goldman Sachs and graduated from Harvard. Lucas is known for his deep involvement in early-stage startup growth and go-to-market strategy.

  • (02:00:18) - Ravi Gupta. Ravi is a Partner at Sequoia Capital, focusing on early-stage companies across sectors like healthcare, AI, and consumer tech. Previously, he was CFO and COO at Instacart, helping scale the company through massive growth. He also worked at KKR and earned his degrees from Yale.

  • (02:31:35) - Adam Warmoth. Adam is the Founder & CEO of Chariot Defense, a San Francisco–based startup that emerged from stealth with $8 million in seed funding in July 2025. The company is revolutionizing tactical power delivery for drones, sensors, mobile command posts, and jammers, with deployments in U.S. Army and Defense Innovation Unit (DIU) exercises. Adam emphasizes real-world, field-driven development, bridging the gap between cutting-edge weaponry and reliable battlefield energy systems.

  • (02:47:13) - Misha Laskin. Misha is the co-founder & CEO of Reflection AI, the startup behind Asimov, a next-gen AI coding agent designed to deeply understand and reason about developer workflows using reinforcement learning. A former DeepMind researcher on Gemini and AlphaGo-related teams, Misha is driving Reflection AI to build agentic systems with “depth” — capable of multi-step planning and collaboration — aiming for foundational advances toward superintelligent agents.

  • (03:02:36) - Timeline


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