Using Stem Cells to Cure Autism, Epilepsy & Schizophrenia | Dr. Sergiu Pașca

Using Stem Cells to Cure Autism, Epilepsy & Schizophrenia | Dr. Sergiu Pașca

August 18, 2025 2 hr 23 min
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Overview

This episode explores groundbreaking advancements in stem cell research and their application to understanding and treating profound autism, epilepsy, schizophrenia, and other brain disorders. Dr. Sergiu Pașca, a pioneer in the development of organoids and assembloids, explains how these stem cell-derived tools are revolutionizing neuroscience. The conversation also delves into the ethical considerations of these technologies, the rise in autism diagnoses, and the future of personalized medicine.

Notable Quotes

- You think about psychiatric disorders as esoteric and complex, but we went all the way down to a molecular defect and are now on the verge of potentially reversing it. — Dr. Sergiu Pașca

- The brain builds itself. There’s no blueprint—it’s self-organizing, and that’s the power we’re leveraging with assembloids. — Dr. Sergiu Pașca

- Not all superheroes wear capes. You’re doing God’s work. — Andrew Huberman

🧠 Autism and Its Rising Prevalence

- Autism is a spectrum disorder defined by behavioral observations, with no definitive biomarkers.

- The prevalence has risen to nearly 3%, partly due to better diagnostic criteria and awareness.

- Genetic factors play a significant role, with twin studies showing high heritability. Environmental factors, such as prenatal exposures, may also contribute.

- Profound autism, the most severe form, often involves intellectual disability and epilepsy, requiring lifelong care.

🧬 Stem Cells, Organoids, and Assembloids

- Dr. Pașca’s lab uses induced pluripotent stem cells (iPSCs) to create organoids—3D clusters of brain cells—and assembloids, which mimic brain circuits.

- These tools allow researchers to model human brain development, study diseases, and test therapies without relying on animal models.

- Organoids replicate developmental timelines, such as the switch in NMDA receptor subunits at nine months, demonstrating their biological accuracy.

- Assembloids enable the study of complex neural circuits, such as sensory pathways and motor control loops.

🩺 Therapeutic Breakthroughs and Applications

- Timothy Syndrome, a rare genetic disorder linked to autism, has been a key focus. Dr. Pașca’s team developed a nucleic acid-based therapy that reverses cellular defects in patient-derived neurons.

- Assembloids are being used to study epilepsy, schizophrenia, and dystonia, offering insights into circuit-level dysfunctions.

- The potential for personalized medicine is immense, with therapies tailored to specific genetic mutations.

⚖️ Ethical Considerations in Stem Cell Research

- Ethical concerns include the use of human cells, animal transplantation, and the potential for emergent properties like sentience in organoids.

- Dr. Pașca emphasizes the importance of precise language, avoiding terms like mini-brains, which can mislead the public.

- Collaborative efforts among scientists have led to standardized nomenclature and ethical guidelines for the field.

🌍 The Future of Neuroscience and Medicine

- Advances in gene therapy and CRISPR hold promise for correcting genetic defects, but challenges remain in delivery and timing.

- The concept of rejuvenating or immortalizing tissues is being explored, though it raises complex technical and ethical questions.

- Dr. Pașca’s work exemplifies the shift toward human-relevant models in neuroscience, paving the way for transformative treatments.

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📋 Episode Description

My guest is Dr. Sergiu Pașca, MD, professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Stanford University. We discuss the biology and genetics of autism, why autism diagnoses are increasing and recent progress in using stem cells to understand and treat profound autism and other brain disorders. Dr. Pașca explains “organoids and assembloids”—human stem cell–derived tools he pioneered to study, treat and cure complex brain diseases. We also discuss ethical and safety issues with using gene editing and stem cells in humans.


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Timestamps


(00:00) Sergiu Pașca


(02:08) Autism Spectrum Disorder, Incidence, Genetics


(07:16) Is Autism More Common in Males?


(09:35) Sponsors: David & Helix Sleep


(11:56) Eye Contact in Babies, Fever; Proposed Causes of Autism; Genes


(18:48) Genetic or Idiopathic Autism Diagnoses, Timothy Syndrome


(21:37) Rise in Autism Diagnoses


(26:46) Cause, Correlation & Neurological Disease; Schizophrenia, Do Vaccines Cause Autism?


(31:34) Global Increase in Autism; Gene Therapy, CRISPR, Follistatin


(41:05) Sponsors: AG1 & BetterHelp


(43:41) Stem Cells, Ethics, Yamanaka Factors, Human Stem Cell Models


(52:03) Umbilical Stem Cells; Stem Cell Injections & Dangers, Autistic Kids


(59:30) Organoids, Modeling Brain Development, Intrinsic Development Timer


(1:12:22) Assembloids, Brain Cell Migration & Circuit Formation, Self-Organization


(1:21:22) Four-Part Assembloid, Sensory Assembloid, Pain Conditions


(1:25:45) Sponsor: Function


(1:27:33) Future Medical Therapies, Cell Banking, Immortalize Tissues, Rejuvenate Cells


(1:34:56) Assembloids & Ethics, Importance of Nomenclature, Science Collaboration & Self-Correction


(1:45:38) Cell Transplantation & Ethics, Timing


(1:55:05) Genetic Testing for Parents, Genetic Penetrance


(2:02:36) Assembloids, Timothy Syndrome, Epilepsy, Schizophrenia, Dystonia


(2:14:30) Scientific Career, Walking, Art, Medical School


(2:20:44) Zero-Cost Support, YouTube, Spotify & Apple Follow & Reviews, Sponsors, YouTube Feedback, Protocols Book, Social Media, Neural Network Newsletter