Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

October 17, 2025 2 hr 25 min
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🤖 AI Summary

Overview

Andrej Karpathy discusses the trajectory of artificial general intelligence (AGI), emphasizing why it remains a decade away. He explores the challenges of reinforcement learning, the slow progress of self-driving technology, and the future of education in an AI-driven world. Karpathy also reflects on the evolution of intelligence and the implications of AI on society and human empowerment.

Notable Quotes

- Reinforcement learning is terrible. It’s like sucking supervision through a straw. - Andrej Karpathy, on the inefficiencies of RL.

- Pretraining is like crappy evolution. It’s the practically possible version with our technology. - Andrej Karpathy, on the parallels between AI training and biological evolution.

- Pre-AGI education is useful. Post-AGI education is fun. - Andrej Karpathy, on the future role of learning in a post-AGI world.

🧠 The Decade of Agents

- Karpathy argues that AGI is still a decade away due to unresolved bottlenecks like continual learning, multimodality, and cognitive deficits in current models.

- He critiques the industry’s tendency to overpredict timelines, emphasizing the need for incremental improvements rather than expecting sudden breakthroughs.

- Current AI agents, such as Claude and Codex, are impressive but lack the robustness and adaptability required for full autonomy.

🔄 Reinforcement Learning’s Limitations

- Karpathy explains why reinforcement learning (RL) is inefficient, describing it as a process that upweights entire trajectories based on sparse rewards, often amplifying noise and incorrect steps.

- He contrasts RL with human learning, which involves deliberate reflection and selective credit assignment for successful strategies.

- He highlights the need for new paradigms in AI training, such as synthetic data generation and self-reflection mechanisms, to overcome RL’s shortcomings.

🚗 Why Self-Driving Took So Long

- Karpathy outlines the challenges of developing self-driving technology, emphasizing the march of nines — each incremental improvement requires significant effort.

- He notes that self-driving cars are still not fully autonomous, with teleoperation centers playing a hidden role in their deployment.

- The high cost of failure in self-driving and other critical domains makes achieving reliability a slow and arduous process.

📈 AGI and Economic Growth

- Karpathy predicts AGI will blend into the existing pattern of 2% GDP growth, rather than causing a sudden economic explosion.

- He views AI as an extension of computing, contributing to gradual automation rather than a discrete transformation.

- While AGI may accelerate progress, Karpathy emphasizes the importance of realistic expectations and warns against overhyping its immediate impact.

🎓 The Future of Education

- Karpathy envisions a transformative shift in education, driven by AI tutors capable of tailoring learning experiences to individual needs.

- He emphasizes the importance of building ramps to knowledge — simplified, structured pathways that maximize understanding.

- His current project, Eureka, aims to create a state-of-the-art educational institution, blending physical and digital experiences to empower humanity in an AI-driven future.

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📋 Episode Description

The Andrej Karpathy episode.

During this interview, Andrej explains why reinforcement learning is terrible (but everything else is much worse), why AGI will just blend into the previous ~2.5 centuries of 2% GDP growth, why self driving took so long to crack, and what he sees as the future of education.

It was a pleasure chatting with him.

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Timestamps

(00:00:00) – AGI is still a decade away

(00:29:45) – LLM cognitive deficits

(00:40:05) – RL is terrible

(00:49:38) – How do humans learn?

(01:06:25) – AGI will blend into 2% GDP growth

(01:17:36) – ASI

(01:32:50) – Evolution of intelligence & culture

(01:42:55) - Why self driving took so long

(01:56:20) - Future of education



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