Let's get a grip on the labor market

Let's get a grip on the labor market

July 09, 2025 โ€ข 25 min
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Overview

This episode explores the complexities of the U.S. labor market, highlighting the limitations of traditional data sources and the value of alternative metrics. It also delves into entrepreneurship trends during economic uncertainty, the impact of copper tariffs, the stabilization of rental markets, and the rise of celebrity-backed mobile service ventures.

Notable Quotes

- Be ready to adapt quickly if forces outside your control alter your plans. โ€“ Chris Kessler, on navigating entrepreneurship during uncertain times.

- Small businesses provide a really early signal well before larger businesses, frankly, well before the BLS. โ€“ John Waldman, on the predictive power of small business labor data.

- Telecom is the new tequila. โ€“ Kelsey Griffiths, on celebrities entering the wireless mobile service market.

๐Ÿ“Š The Labor Market: Data Beyond the Surface

- Traditional labor data, like the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) reports, is often lagging and based on extrapolated surveys.

- Alternative data sources, such as payroll processors (e.g., Homebase, UKG) and job platforms (e.g., Glassdoor), offer real-time insights into hiring trends, hours worked, and employee sentiment.

- Indicators like the quits rate (voluntary job departures) and unemployment claims reveal caution among both employers and employees, signaling a cooling labor market.

- Economists emphasize that while the labor market remains strong historically, hiring is slowing, and layoffs could rise in the near future.

๐Ÿš€ Entrepreneurship in Uncertain Times

- Despite economic uncertainty, Americans continue to start new businesses at high rates, a trend that began during the pandemic.

- Sarah Kunst notes two entrepreneurial responses to uncertainty: cautious side hustles (e.g., selling homemade goods) and necessity entrepreneurship, where individuals create businesses due to limited job opportunities.

- Entrepreneurs like Chris Kessler stress the importance of adaptability, patience, and perseverance when launching businesses in challenging conditions.

๐Ÿ“ˆ Copper Tariffs and Economic Ripples

- U.S. copper prices spiked following a 50% tariff announcement, leading to stockpiling and market distortions.

- The U.S. faces a processing deficit, not a raw material shortage, due to limited smelting and refining capacity.

- Experts like Albert McKenzie and Mike Moats highlight the challenges of building new smelters, which could take years, leaving the U.S. reliant on imports and vulnerable to price volatility.

๐Ÿ  Rental Market Stabilization

- National median rents have declined slightly due to a surge in apartment construction, particularly in the South and West.

- However, rents remain high in the Northeast and Midwest, where new construction lags.

- Affordable housing remains scarce, with lower-cost units barely breaking even, according to Jenny Schutz.

- High home prices and mortgage rates are driving more people to rent, but slowing construction could reverse rental price stability.

๐Ÿ“ฑ Celebrity Ventures in Wireless Mobile Services

- Celebrities like Ryan Reynolds and The Rock are entering the wireless market through Mobile Virtual Network Operators (MVNOs), which resell excess capacity from major carriers.

- These ventures cater to niche markets, offering lower prices but potentially reduced service quality.

- Kelsey Griffiths explains that this trend is appealing due to recurring revenue and data collection opportunities, making telecom the new tequila for celebrity branding.

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๐Ÿ“‹ Episode Description

The June jobs report gave a sunny picture of the labor market. But if youโ€™re, say, looking for a job right now, you may see things a bit differently. What gives? In this episode, we break down the pros and cons of backward-looking data, and search elsewhere for answers about the current employment situation. Plus: Entrepreneurship chugs along in this uncertain economy, rents finally seem to hold steady, and U.S. copper prices spike.


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