Stephen Kotkin — How Do We Explain Stalin?

Stephen Kotkin — How Do We Explain Stalin?

July 10, 2025 2 hr 12 min
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Overview

This episode delves into the life and legacy of Joseph Stalin, exploring his rise to power, the ideological and structural dynamics of the Soviet Union, and the broader implications of authoritarian regimes. Stephen Kotkin, a leading historian on Stalin, provides insights into the paradoxes of modernization, the psychology of dictatorship, and the lessons history offers for understanding contemporary authoritarian states like China.

Notable Quotes

- Stalin was fighting against czarist injustice only to impose worse injustice and worse bloodshed.Stephen Kotkin, on the unintended consequences of revolutionary ideals.

- Communism can fail at everything—except suppressing political alternatives.Stephen Kotkin, on the resilience of Leninist regimes.

- The short run is where we're all potentially dead, but in the long run, we're good because our system is better.Stephen Kotkin, on the stakes of geopolitical competition.

🛡️ The Czarist Regime and Revolutionary Dynamics

- The czarist regime faced a paradox: it needed modernization to compete globally but feared the political ideas that modernization brought.

- Stephen Kotkin described the regime as vegetarian compared to the carnivorous repression of Stalin or Hitler, yet its repression alienated the very groups it needed—workers and intellectuals.

- The February Revolution of 1917 was driven by legitimate grievances, but the failure to manage the transition led to chaos and the eventual Bolshevik takeover.

🌾 Peasants, Revolution, and the Irony of Collectivization

- Peasant land hunger was a destabilizing force in Russia, fueling the revolution. However, the Bolsheviks' eventual policies, like collectivization, violently reversed the peasants' gains.

- Stalin's collectivization enslaved millions of peasants, leading to famine and mass repression. Despite this, the regime maintained control through an expansive secret police apparatus.

- Kotkin highlighted the irony: the very groups that brought Lenin to power were later crushed by the system they helped create.

🧠 Ideology, Repression, and the Great Terror

- Stalin's regime was marked by a surplus of sadism, with millions implicated in the machinery of repression.

- Ideology played a critical role: many believed in the Marxist-Leninist vision, even as they participated in or were victimized by its horrors.

- Kotkin noted the paradox of loyalty: even those purged by Stalin often confessed and upheld the party's legitimacy, reflecting the deep psychological grip of the system.

📈 China's Economic Miracle: Party or People?

- Kotkin argued that China's economic rise owes more to the ingenuity of its people and external factors (e.g., Hong Kong, Taiwan, U.S. markets) than to the Communist Party.

- Deng Xiaoping's reforms were described as grudging allowances rather than a deliberate embrace of markets.

- The Chinese Communist Party's current challenge lies in balancing economic liberalization with maintaining its monopoly on power—a dilemma reminiscent of the Soviet Union's struggles.

🔍 Why Dictatorships Persist (and Collapse)

- Kotkin explored why Stalin faced no serious assassination attempts, attributing it to his unparalleled ability to embody and sustain the system.

- Dictatorships rely on repression, but their Achilles' heel is the loyalty of the repressive apparatus. When legitimacy erodes, even the most robust regimes can collapse.

- The episode concluded with reflections on China's reliance on technology to sustain its Leninist system, drawing parallels to the Soviet Union's failed technological fantasies.

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📋 Episode Description

The Stephen Kotkin episode. Kotkin is arguably the world’s foremost expert on Joseph Stalin and has written a massive 2-volume biography of Stalin (with a 3rd volume in the works).

No other individual had more of a profound impact on the 20th century than Stalin. He held the power of life and death over every single person across 11 time zones, and he killed tens of millions of people, utterly consumed by an ideology aimed at building paradise on Earth.

And, he was one half of the biggest and most consequential military confrontation in history (even if Hitler didn’t prove to be his match).

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Timestamps

(00:00:00) – Was the tsarist regime the lesser of 2 evils?

(00:23:45) – The peasants brought Lenin to power, then he enslaved them

(00:37:38) – Why did so many go along with enforced famine and the Great Terror?

(01:02:26) – Today’s leftist civil war

(01:13:01) – Doesn’t CCP deserve credit for China's growth?

(01:35:13) – Why didn't somebody just kill Stalin?

(01:52:45) – Overcoming the pathologies of communism with tech: USSR vs China



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