🤖 AI Summary
Overview
This episode dives into the development and functionality of Proof, a live collaborative document editor designed for humans and AI agents to work together seamlessly. Created by Dan Shipper and the team at Every, Proof emphasizes real-time collaboration, provenance tracking of AI vs. human contributions, and a lightweight, intuitive design. The discussion explores how Proof has transformed workflows, the concept of agent native
design, and the evolving relationship between humans and AI in writing and planning.
Notable Quotes
- Text is really valuable, but it's also really cheap to produce. The way you might design how you work with text has to change.
– Dan Shipper, on rethinking text-based workflows in the AI era.
- I love that I can see what it wrote versus what I wrote for me, which is so much better than a Google Doc.
– Austin Tedesco, on Proof's ability to distinguish AI and human contributions.
- AX (agent experience) is just as important as UX in this new world.
– Dan Shipper, on designing tools for AI agents.
🛠️ The Evolution of Proof
- Proof began as a Mac app focused on tracking AI vs. human contributions (purple for AI, green for human).
- The shift to a web-based, collaborative editor unlocked its potential, enabling real-time interaction between humans and AI agents.
- Brandon Gell noted that the collaborative web version quickly became indispensable for the team, highlighting its fit for modern workflows.
🤝 Humans and Agents Collaborating
- Proof allows humans and AI agents to co-author documents, leave comments, and track changes in real time.
- Austin Tedesco shared how he uses Proof for creative writing, texting ideas to his AI agent while running, and watching outlines take shape.
- The tool's provenance feature helps users distinguish between AI-generated and human-written content, fostering trust and clarity.
🧠 Agent Native
Design Principles
- Dan Shipper introduced the concept of agent native
design, where tools are optimized for both human and AI agent use.
- AX (agent experience) is prioritized alongside UX, ensuring agents can navigate and contribute effectively.
- The team discussed challenges like managing multiple agents in a single document and ensuring quality output.
📄 Practical Applications and Use Cases
- Proof is used for everything from daily to-do lists to complex growth strategies and creative writing.
- Brandon Gell described a workflow where his agent drafts a plan, Dan Shipper's agent reviews it, and humans refine the output.
- The lightweight, shareable nature of Proof makes it ideal for brainstorming, iteration, and short-term planning without the overhead of traditional tools like Notion or Google Docs.
🌐 Open Source and Future Potential
- Proof is open source, allowing developers to integrate it into their own apps or customize it for specific needs.
- The team envisions Proof as a foundational tool for agent native
workflows, enabling seamless collaboration between humans and AI across industries.
- Kieran Klaassen emphasized the importance of Proof's simplicity, likening it to a sketchpad for ideas and collaboration.
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📋 Episode Description
Every has unveiled a new product, built by CEO Dan Shipper. It's called Proof, a free, open-source, live collaborative document editor built for humans and AI agents to work in together.
Proof started as a Mac app designed to show the provenance of AI-written text—purple for AI, green for human. But when Shipper rebuilt it as a web app with real-time collaboration, something clicked. Suddenly, everyone at Every was using it for everything from planning docs, to creative writing and even daily to-do lists. The team realized they needed a lightweight space where their OpenClaw agents and humans could co-author documents and leave comments.
In this special episode, Shipper is joined by Every chief operating officer Brandon Gell, Cora general manager Kieran Klaassen, and head of growth Austin Tedesco to demo Proof live and share how it's changed the way they work. Brandon walks through a loop where his Codex agent writes a plan, Dan's personal Claw R2-C2 reviews it, and the humans just steer. Austin explains how he uses Proof to write a weekly food newsletter, texting ideas to his Claw on runs and watching an outline take shape. And Kieran makes the case that Proof's power is its lightness—just a link you can hand to any agent or colleague.
The conversation covers what "agent native" means in practice, why AX (agent experience) matters as much as UX (user experience), what happens when 10 agents edit one document at the same time, and why some writing is now better read by an AI than a human.
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Timestamps
00:02:00 — Introduction and the origin story of Proof
00:07:24 — From Mac app to collaborative web editor
00:09:00 — What makes