“China’s digging out of a crisis. But America’s luck is wearing thin.” — Ken Rogoff

“China’s digging out of a crisis. But America’s luck is wearing thin.” — Ken Rogoff

June 12, 2025 1 hr 36 min
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🤖 AI Summary

Overview

Ken Rogoff, former chief economist at the IMF and Harvard professor, discusses the economic challenges facing China and the United States. He predicts a debt-induced inflation crisis in the U.S., explores China's reliance on financial repression, and examines the erosion of dollar dominance. Rogoff also delves into the implications of AGI on interest rates and the global economy, while offering insights into historical financial crises and their long-term impacts.

Notable Quotes

- Xi Jinping has pushed out technocrats and centralized power, which is bad for growth.Ken Rogoff, on China's leadership shift.

- Americans forget that we've been lucky. If you ran it all again, it didn’t have to go the same way.Ken Rogoff, on the U.S.'s historical economic dominance.

- Financial crises don’t just go away—they leave scars that can last for decades.Ken Rogoff, on the lingering effects of financial crises.

🌏 China's Economic Stagnation

- Rogoff highlights China's current economic crisis, driven by overbuilt infrastructure and housing, demographic challenges, and centralized power under Xi Jinping.

- He contrasts the competence of earlier Chinese leaders with the loyalty-driven appointments under Xi, which have diminished technocratic expertise.

- Financial repression and state-directed investment are exacerbating China's problems, as local governments struggle to fund themselves sustainably.

- Rogoff warns that China's reliance on housing as a savings vehicle is collapsing, further dampening consumer spending.

🇯🇵 Lessons from Japan's Financial Crisis

- Rogoff explains how U.S. pressure on Japan to raise its currency value and deregulate financial markets contributed to Japan's prolonged economic stagnation.

- He estimates Japan could have been 50% wealthier today without the financial crisis, which disrupted its export-led growth model.

- The crisis serves as a cautionary tale for countries liberalizing financial systems too quickly, highlighting the importance of gradual reforms.

💸 America's Looming Inflation Crisis

- Rogoff predicts the U.S. will face a debt-induced inflation crisis within the next decade, driven by unsustainable fiscal policies and political inflexibility.

- He argues inflation will likely serve as a pressure valve to reduce debt, but warns of long-term consequences, including higher interest rates and diminished trust in U.S. financial stability.

- Financial repression, while an option, would be more damaging to the U.S. economy than it was for post-WWII America due to the complexity of modern financial markets.

🤖 AGI and Interest Rates

- Rogoff sees AGI as a potential upward pressure on interest rates due to increased energy demands and investment in capital-intensive technologies.

- He notes that while AI-driven productivity could ease inflationary pressures, it may also exacerbate inequality and political instability.

- The deflationary impact of AI on goods and services could challenge traditional monetary policy frameworks, requiring new approaches to maintain economic stability.

💵 Erosion of Dollar Dominance

- Rogoff warns that the U.S.'s exorbitant privilege of dollar dominance is under threat due to geopolitical shifts and rising global skepticism about U.S. governance.

- He highlights China's efforts to diversify reserves into gold and develop alternative payment systems, as well as Europe's push for a central bank digital currency.

- Despite these challenges, Rogoff emphasizes the historical advantages of dollar dominance, including lower borrowing costs, geopolitical leverage, and global liquidity.

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📋 Episode Description

Ken Rogoff is the former chief economist of the IMF, a professor of Economics at Harvard, and author of the newly released Our Dollar, Your Problem and This Time is Different.

On this episode, Ken predicts that, within the next decade, the US will have a debt-induced inflation crisis, but not a Japan-type financial crisis (the latter is much worse, and can make a country poorer for generations).

Ken also explains how China is trapped: in order to solve their current problems, they’ll keep leaning on financial repression and state-directed investment, which only makes their situation worse.

We also discuss the erosion of dollar dominance, why there will be a rebalancing toward foreign equities, how AGI will impact the deficit and interest rate, and much more!

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Timestamps

(00:00:00) – China is stagnating

(00:25:46) – How the US broke Japan's economy

(00:37:06) – America's inflation crisis is coming

(01:02:20) – Will AGI solve the US deficit?

(01:07:11) – Why interest rates will go up

(01:10:55) – US equities will underperform

(01:22:24) – The erosion of dollar dom