
Weekly Recap | Elon vs. Trump, Ukraine's Drone Attack, Cluely Update & OpenAI CRO
🤖 AI Summary
Overview
This episode dives into major geopolitical events, business drama, and cutting-edge technology developments. Topics include Ukraine's innovative drone warfare, the escalating feud between Elon Musk and Donald Trump, updates from viral startup Cluely, advancements in genetic optimization software, and insights from AI leaders at OpenAI and Anthropic.
Notable Quotes
- The most capable military in Europe right now is the Ukrainian military. Their drone tech is far and away the best.
- Erik Prince, on Ukraine's military innovation.
- Attention is all. You can make anything go viral. In 2025, product doesn’t matter.
- Roy Lee, on Cluely’s unconventional marketing strategy.
- We see 2025 as the year of agents—models doing autonomous work for much longer periods of time.
- Mark Chen, on the future of AI at OpenAI.
🇺🇦 Ukraine’s Drone Warfare Innovations
- Soren Monroe-Anderson explained Ukraine's groundbreaking use of FPV drones in Operation Spider Web, where drones were smuggled deep into Russia via shipping containers and operated on cellular networks.
- Ukraine is expected to produce 4.5 million FPV drones this year, showcasing rapid scaling and innovation in asymmetric warfare.
- Connor Love highlighted the implications for global defense strategies, emphasizing the difficulty of defending against cellular-operated drones.
🤖 Elon Musk vs. Donald Trump: Business and Political Fallout
- The feud between Musk and Trump spilled across social media platforms X and Truth Social, with implications for Tesla, SpaceX, and U.S. space policy.
- Delian Asparouhov noted NASA’s budget shifts and the potential decommissioning of SpaceX’s Dragon spacecraft, which could leave the International Space Station stranded.
- The drama underscores the growing tension between tech leaders and political figures, with ripple effects on industries like aerospace and AI.
🚀 Viral Marketing and Startup Updates: Cluely’s Bold Moves
- Roy Lee shared Cluely’s viral growth strategy, leveraging a team of 50 interns with massive social media followings to drive attention.
- The startup focuses on virality over product development, with Lee claiming, We’re cash flow positive, but we’re not trying to be—we just keep making so much money.
- Controversial marketing tactics, including positioning Cluely as a tool to cheat on everything,
have sparked debates but fueled growth.
🧬 Genetic Optimization: Nucleus Embryo Launch
- Kian Sadeghi introduced Nucleus Embryo, software enabling parents to select embryos based on traits like IQ, disease risk, and physical characteristics.
- The platform partners with genomic testing companies to provide comprehensive data, sparking ethical debates about genetic selection.
- Sadeghi emphasized the importance of consumer choice in medicine, stating, Clinicians shouldn’t decide what embryo to implant—you should.
🧠 AI Research Frontiers: OpenAI and Anthropic Insights
- Mark Chen discussed OpenAI’s focus on reasoning and reinforcement learning (RL), predicting 2025 as the year of agents
capable of autonomous work.
- Sholto Douglas from Anthropic highlighted RL scaling challenges, including reward hacking and the need for long-horizon tasks to improve model reliability.
- Both experts emphasized the importance of balancing compute, data, and algorithmic innovation to push AI capabilities forward.
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📋 Episode Description
- (00:00) - Intro and Overview
- (02:57) - Ukraine’s drone attack on Russia
- (03:21) - Soren Monroe-Anderson (Neros)
- (09:02) - Connor Love (Lightspeed Ventures)
- (13:45) - Erik Prince (Off Leash)
- (15:20) - Elon Musk Vs. Donald Trump
- (21:44) - Delian Asparouhov (Varda)
- (32:48) - Cluely Update from dropout Roy Lee
- (46:52) - Kian Sadeghi (Nucleus)
- (01:00:12) - AI Day on TBPN
- (01:00:14) - Mark Chen (OpenAI)
- (01:28:49) - Sholto Douglas (Anthropic)
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