#2432 - Josh Dubin

Overview

Josh Dubin, a civil rights attorney and advocate for criminal justice reform, delves into the complexities of wrongful convictions, systemic corruption, and the human cost of injustice. The conversation spans topics like forensic science, clemency, immigration policy, drug laws, and the transformative potential of psychedelics.

Notable Quotes

- Better to apologize for something you didn't do than to not apologize for something you did. - Josh Dubin, on the importance of accountability.

- You can't nanny state the whole world. You can't nerf every hard edge on the planet. - Joe Rogan, advocating for personal freedom and informed decision-making.

- If billionaires can get awarded $50 million, that's the jury saying her reputation mattered. - Josh Dubin, reflecting on the Perlmutter defamation case and the value of justice.

🕵️‍♂️ Wrongful Convictions and Systemic Corruption

- Josh Dubin discusses the dark realities of wrongful convictions, emphasizing how corruption and bias in law enforcement lead to devastating consequences for innocent people.

- He highlights cases like Nelson Cruz, who was framed for murder by corrupt detectives, and Eduardo Rodriguez, the actual perpetrator who remains free.

- Dubin underscores the importance of forensic science integrity, citing the Perlmutter case where DNA evidence was mishandled by unaccredited labs.

- The Perlmutter Center for Legal Justice was born out of the Perlmutter family's experience, aiming to support those wrongfully accused who lack resources to fight back.

📜 Clemency and Pardons

- Dubin shares stories of individuals seeking clemency, such as Michael Giles, a military veteran serving a 25-year sentence for self-defense under Florida's mandatory minimum laws. Despite overwhelming support, Governor DeSantis denied clemency without explanation.

- He discusses the challenges of navigating the clemency process, highlighting the role of Alice Johnson, the current pardon czar, and the political complexities surrounding pardons.

- Dubin advocates for reform, emphasizing the need for transparency and fairness in granting second chances.

🌍 Immigration Policy and Human Rights

- Dubin recounts the story of an Albanian immigrant facing deportation after 51 years of contributing to American society. Despite his spotless record since serving a short sentence decades ago, ICE initiated removal proceedings.

- He critiques the lack of flexibility in immigration laws and the human cost of rigid enforcement policies.

- The discussion touches on broader issues of fairness and the need for reform in immigration and clemency systems.

🌱 Drug Laws and Decriminalization

- Rogan and Dubin explore the history of marijuana criminalization, revealing its roots in corporate self-interest and propaganda.

- They discuss the potential benefits of decriminalizing drugs like cocaine, citing examples from countries like Portugal where overdose rates and crime have plummeted.

- Rogan emphasizes the importance of personal freedom and informed decision-making, arguing that prohibition fuels cartels and organized crime.

🌀 Psychedelics and Emotional Healing

- Rogan and Dubin discuss the therapeutic potential of psychedelics like Ayahuasca and ketamine, which have shown promise in treating trauma and addiction.

- Dubin shares his transformative experience with EMDR therapy, a non-drug method for processing trauma, likening it to the purging process of psychedelics.

- Rogan highlights alternative methods like holotropic breathing and sensory deprivation tanks, which can induce altered states of consciousness for healing and self-exploration.