Jonathan Greenblatt on Antisemitism, Anti-Zionism and Free Speech

Overview

This episode features Jonathan Greenblatt, CEO of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), discussing the rise of antisemitism in the U.S., the complexities of anti-Zionism, and the challenges of distinguishing between free speech and hate speech. The conversation delves into the ADL's evolving role, the impact of the Israel-Gaza conflict on American discourse, and the broader implications for civil rights and community relations.

Notable Quotes

- Zionism is the right of the Jewish people to self-determination in their ancient homeland. Anti-Zionism is the belief that Jews do not have that right. — Jonathan Greenblatt, on the ideological divide.

- Ideas have consequences, and it starts with words. Normalizing language like 'from the river to the sea' creates conditions where people feel obligated to do horrible things. — Jonathan Greenblatt, on the power of rhetoric.

- Jews can only be safe if everyone is safe. — Jonathan Greenblatt, on the ADL's founding mission.

🛑 The Rise of Antisemitism in America

- Greenblatt highlights a dramatic increase in antisemitic incidents, with 2024 being the worst year on record for harassment, vandalism, and violence against Jews.

- He attributes this rise to polarization, emboldened extremists on both the right and left, and the amplifying effects of social media.

- Specific examples include public attacks on Jews during the 2021 Gaza conflict and the normalization of antisemitic rhetoric in public spaces.

🇮🇱 Anti-Zionism vs. Antisemitism

- Greenblatt argues that anti-Zionism, defined as opposition to Jewish self-determination, is inherently antisemitic because it applies a double standard to Jews.

- He distinguishes criticism of Israeli policies from antisemitism, emphasizing that demonization, delegitimization, and double standards cross the line.

- The debate touches on the generational divide within the Jewish community, with younger Jews questioning the alignment of Zionism with their values.

🎓 Free Speech and Campus Activism

- The ADL has called for investigations into Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) for allegedly aligning with Hamas rhetoric, citing concerning language and tactics.

- Critics argue that such actions risk suppressing pro-Palestinian speech and conflating activism with material support for terrorism.

- Greenblatt defends the ADL’s stance, emphasizing the need to address conduct that incites violence while protecting free speech.

🌍 The Israel-Gaza Conflict and Its Fallout

- The October 7th Hamas attack and Israel’s response have intensified debates about Zionism, antisemitism, and human rights.

- Greenblatt rejects the use of terms like genocide to describe Israel’s actions, arguing that such language undermines the complexity of the conflict.

- He stresses the need for peace, aid to Gaza, and the safe return of hostages, while acknowledging the immense suffering on both sides.

📊 The ADL’s Role and Criticism

- The ADL’s new Jewish Policy Index evaluates U.S. states on their efforts to combat antisemitism, aiming to guide improvements across the political spectrum.

- Greenblatt addresses criticism that the ADL has aligned too closely with the right or with Israel, asserting that the organization works with all administrations to advance its mission.

- He emphasizes the importance of radical empathy, education, and showing up for other communities to combat hate and rebuild trust.